Wednesday, March 11, 2009

The Early Church and Free Will

I ran across an  interesting exposé on the internet detailing some of the teachings of the early church fathers on free will. Very very interesting.

6 comments:

Pizza Man said...

That's a great chart. As a side note, I like the new blog look.

Robert said...

Hello Brennon,

Glad you saw this. I wish everyone would see church history for themselves and see whether or not anyone held calvinistic beliefs before Augustine? You won't find any of it until Augustine in the fourth century. Are we to believe that prior to Augustine, in the early centuries of the church, the body of Christ, each believer being personally and individually indwelled by the Holy Spirit, God being sovereign, all got it wrong with respect to free will? And that Augustine finally got it right? Seems more reasonable to conclude that the early church got it right and that Augustine brought in the poison, brought in the Trojan horse of exhaustive determinism into the church. And that Trojan horse that Augustine brought in has been plaguing the church ever since.

Robert

bossmanham said...

Thanks, guys!

beowulf2k8 said...

"Glad you saw this. I wish everyone would see church history for themselves and see whether or not anyone held calvinistic beliefs before Augustine? You won't find any of it until Augustine in the fourth century. Are we to believe that prior to Augustine, in the early centuries of the church, the body of Christ, each believer being personally and individually indwelled by the Holy Spirit, God being sovereign, all got it wrong with respect to free will? And that Augustine finally got it right?" (Robert)

Come on Rober, you know Augustine MUST have got it right. I mean he was part of a crazy Gnostic cult for 9 years (from 17 to 26) having sex with prostitutes until his mother finally arranged him a marriage with a RICH Catholic woman and all he had to do was pretend to convert and viola he got riches and a shot at a bishopric. Of course he's right! Anyone who committed that much fornication and then left it all and converted for riches and political power must be right! (sarcasm)

bossmanham said...

Now, now, I don't want to encourage questioning St. Augustine's conversion.

beowulf2k8 said...

I didn't suggest you do. But I don't question it myself either; I simply know 100% it was fake.